This was hilarious. I personally dislike Rust, but not due to the language itself. I really don't care either way about the language. The community of Rust zealots is what turns me off. They have this "holy mission" to promote Rust in all places at all times, and Rust doesn't fully accomplish its stated mission as it is currently designed. Ada Spark does, but no one seems to promote Ada Spark.
Rust sucks. Maybe do a show on that. I tried Rust but could get nowhere with its borrow checker (without speading "unsafe" everywhere) because I need to deal with complex in-memory structures accessable concurrently or in parallel. Rust's borrow checkers simply doesn't get it, and I was spending all of my time trying to make it happy.
I would have no problems doing the same in straight-up C++ becase C++ gives me the freedom to be "dangerous". I know that thread A and thread B won't access the same spots of an array -- because I programmed it that way! Rust doesn't know this, of course, so in my face it goes wagging its finger!!!!
And yes, I know I have to deal with caching and prefectching and all, but again, I know that and I can be "dangerous" and make that work out the way I want.
And yes, I was getting very annoyed by the Rust fanboys too. Sorry. I know many programming languages as I've been at this for the better part of 40 years. My career started off with writing an OS from scratch in C and Assembler. These noobs, these greenhorns know nothing and should sit down, shut up, and learn a thing or two. Then they may speak after they've been around the block.
I have pointed out that the automotive industry, for any of many sundry reasons, won't be buying into Rust anytime soon. C and C++ are trusted. They have their MISRA and AutoSar standards to get around many of the pitfalls in developing in those languages. Quite frankly, Rust, I think, should be a shoe-in for some of this development, but Rust must grow up first and become a real boy. It is not ready to play with the big boys.
Rust fanboys get irate when I tell them that. And that is entirely why I dispise them.
Maybe someday, when Rust becomes truly standardized and battle-tested, it may be ready to make inroads into such mission-critical applications. But not now. Not by a longshot.
For the same reasons, it does not belong in the Kernel. I am astonished that Torvalds, who hates C++, would be taking a knee to Rust. I guess he's getting old.
I mess with Rust every once in a while and I like it alright as a hobby language. Its something different from the norm. Don't like the zealots who think everything should be remade from the ground up with it though
Please tell me this is SATIRE? A lot of developers are lazy and bad and Linus is right. Perl is great but not meant for kernels.... kinda stupid to even mention it. Also, Rust is a SAFE THREAD language. We need maybe the ENTIRE KERNEL to be in Rust! It would prevent a lot of problems.
Just subscribed and encountered this. I nearly spit tea all over my monitor. Clearly, I must use more caution when enjoying my tea while reading Lunduke.
Well, next time I'm going to contribute, I'll have to fork it first. Because I'm the kernel maintainer who had been silently banned from LKML (actually from whole vger.kernel.org mail system) for critizing his holyness.
But not now, I'm already busy with forking Xorg. Release coming in about two weeks, stay tuned :)
This was hilarious. I personally dislike Rust, but not due to the language itself. I really don't care either way about the language. The community of Rust zealots is what turns me off. They have this "holy mission" to promote Rust in all places at all times, and Rust doesn't fully accomplish its stated mission as it is currently designed. Ada Spark does, but no one seems to promote Ada Spark.
I see kernel developers being whipped with Rust's borrow checker.
Rust sucks. Maybe do a show on that. I tried Rust but could get nowhere with its borrow checker (without speading "unsafe" everywhere) because I need to deal with complex in-memory structures accessable concurrently or in parallel. Rust's borrow checkers simply doesn't get it, and I was spending all of my time trying to make it happy.
I would have no problems doing the same in straight-up C++ becase C++ gives me the freedom to be "dangerous". I know that thread A and thread B won't access the same spots of an array -- because I programmed it that way! Rust doesn't know this, of course, so in my face it goes wagging its finger!!!!
And yes, I know I have to deal with caching and prefectching and all, but again, I know that and I can be "dangerous" and make that work out the way I want.
And yes, I was getting very annoyed by the Rust fanboys too. Sorry. I know many programming languages as I've been at this for the better part of 40 years. My career started off with writing an OS from scratch in C and Assembler. These noobs, these greenhorns know nothing and should sit down, shut up, and learn a thing or two. Then they may speak after they've been around the block.
I have pointed out that the automotive industry, for any of many sundry reasons, won't be buying into Rust anytime soon. C and C++ are trusted. They have their MISRA and AutoSar standards to get around many of the pitfalls in developing in those languages. Quite frankly, Rust, I think, should be a shoe-in for some of this development, but Rust must grow up first and become a real boy. It is not ready to play with the big boys.
Rust fanboys get irate when I tell them that. And that is entirely why I dispise them.
Maybe someday, when Rust becomes truly standardized and battle-tested, it may be ready to make inroads into such mission-critical applications. But not now. Not by a longshot.
For the same reasons, it does not belong in the Kernel. I am astonished that Torvalds, who hates C++, would be taking a knee to Rust. I guess he's getting old.
I mess with Rust every once in a while and I like it alright as a hobby language. Its something different from the norm. Don't like the zealots who think everything should be remade from the ground up with it though
Please tell me this is SATIRE? A lot of developers are lazy and bad and Linus is right. Perl is great but not meant for kernels.... kinda stupid to even mention it. Also, Rust is a SAFE THREAD language. We need maybe the ENTIRE KERNEL to be in Rust! It would prevent a lot of problems.
Just subscribed and encountered this. I nearly spit tea all over my monitor. Clearly, I must use more caution when enjoying my tea while reading Lunduke.
Well, Lunduke is a bit like reading DNG mailinglist on systemd - just in much wider scope ;-)
Isn't Rust the memory-leaking language ?
This is not a joke ?
Well, next time I'm going to contribute, I'll have to fork it first. Because I'm the kernel maintainer who had been silently banned from LKML (actually from whole vger.kernel.org mail system) for critizing his holyness.
But not now, I'm already busy with forking Xorg. Release coming in about two weeks, stay tuned :)